Commissioner John Keeble apparently thinks so. In this Daily Times article about the rising cost of English as a Secondary Language (ESL) programs in Blount Co. schools, Commissioner Keeble is quoted as asking "Is there any way to see if the children are legal?"

This raises some interesting questions. Anti-immigration is a popular wedge issue for conservative Republicans. But regardless of whether you think illegal immigrants should all be deported or should all be given amnesty, surely we wouldn't deny their children the basics of education and health care?

But that's exactly what some right-wing conservatives want to do. In my view, it is neither moral nor just to punish children for their parents' decision to try to make a better life for their family.

If we do not educate these

If we do not educate these children we will have a future work force to exploit for our fields and minimum wage jobs. Sounds like solid Republican thinking to me.

But on the other hand, I hear many times, "immigrants need to speak English, this is 'merika."

Of course we should teach English to these children. They are not at fault for their parent's actions.

Most of these children have already been asked their immigration status by their American schoolmates whose parents have taught their children their racist ideas.

Bigger fish to fry

Why would someone who wants to deport someone, want to give that person anything? If you don't agree with his position, surely I understand. But in Blount, I would rather have him asking aloud instead of making a chickens**t move like running to his lawyer before he ask.

But that's exactly what some right-wing conservatives want to do.

Again, if you know that, why are you surprised that's what this particular right-wing conservative wants to do? In a town where we just had a paper retract a story that had only one mistake (retraction over correction?)to cover for the local political machine, a right wing politician being a right wing politician is hardly news worthy.

Until we get honest media, accounting for our cars, an end to general fund manipulation, rid of blatant nepotism, an end to fake degrees, an end to arm breaking, an end to arm twisting at the courthouse and judges that believe in due process for everyone* (everyone includes immigrants) - a conservative showing his stripes on immigration shouldn't be the focus of anything but another reason to vote.

* just to name a few

Another take

Consider the statistics from the Tennessee Department of Education 2007 Report Card as reported here by R. Neal. If further analysis is done on these statistics it would show that the total percentage of students by race leaves a small percentage unreported.

Would we then consider this percentage to be in need of ESL resources also?

My thought would be that a percentage of the Maryville students with limited English would be from Japan due to Denso.

Another reason to cut the spending on ESL?

If you break out the number of students per system in need of ESL you get the following:

Alcoa 3.9% or 62 out of 1,589
Maryville 2.4% or 115 out of 4,792
Blount 0.9% or 98 out of 10,919
Total County 1.6% or 275 out of 17,300

Consider also that the county, with a much larger student population than cities, only makes up about one third of the limited English student population.

A good question to ask would be how much are the cities contributing in total to provide this resource?

The reading scores for

The reading scores for Hispanic students is also interesting. Blount Co. and Maryville seem to be doing a pretty good job. Alcoa seems to be struggling a little

Don't start putting words in.

R.Neal Please do not start putting a spin on a comment that you read from reporter, Joel Davis. Commissioner Keeble asked that question, but are you not sure what the other conversation was being said? Illegal is a hot topic and the DT's editors are chomping at the bit to stir it up some more. They can take a few words out of 3-4 sentences and make a statement that changed the whole context. So to take what the DT says and run with your agenda and views, to keep it stirring the pot instead of taking it off the fire for good.
Can I offer you this though, our half empty schools are being used to get GEDs and taught our country's own official language. So you have non-english speaking adults amongst our kids in the schools. Also students that did not finish school and dropouts attending classes to get thier documents.
So all in all, the school board has asked for more money from our commissioners at that Education Committee meeting. The school board can ask for more money each and the commissioners and joe q. public cannot? You can give the school board a 5 dollar bill to go see a movie, but after they get that 5 dollar bill, instead they will use it to eat at Sullivan's. Knowingly that they will need more money to eat at Sullivan's. So Sullivan's trusting such a good customer like the school board will give them a break to get the rest of the money. To put it in a nutshell, once you give the school board a single dollar for one specific item, then they can turn around and use it for anything they want.

Commissioner Keeble asked

Commissioner Keeble asked that question, but are you not sure what the other conversation was being said?

What do you suppose he meant? Why do you think he asked the question? What was the context? Actually, the context seemed pretty clear.

Perhaps Commissioner Keeble would like to come here and tell us himself? Or write a letter to the editor explaining?

So, I'm not clear if DG and

So, I'm not clear if DG and JAC think we should deny benefits to children of illegal immigrants.

What do you think about the topic of the post?

Do you agree or disagree that it is neither moral nor just to deny benefits to children of illegal immigrants?

No that assessment is correct

I do not disagree with teaching the kids. I have a problem with the school board asking time and time again for more and more money. I was just saying that you put a spin on Commissioner Keeble's context. The paper can change the whole text by deleting words and sentences. You put a spin on Keeble's thoughts... in your view. You weren't there to hear the rest of it and the whole topic. I was not there for that meeting this time.

Still, there are bigger fish

If you don't agree with his position, surely I understand.

Since when have you become so obtuse?

Not sure how I'm being

Not sure how I'm being obtuse?

You haven't stated whether you agree that public benefits should be withheld from children of illegal immigrants. Whether you understand what I agree with or not doesn't seem to answer that.

"The moral test of a

"The moral test of a government is how it treats those who are at the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the aged; and those who are in the shadow of life, the sick and the needy, and the handicapped."

- Hubert Humphrey

What was good enough for Hubert is good enough for me. I think the goal should be for doing everything we can for all children. Although, this would be much easier to accomplish if the Feds were up to the task of documenting and taxing all needed immigrant labor - so those in question would be paying into the same system - ergo there would be no need for asking stupid questions.

Although, this would be much

Although, this would be much easier to accomplish if the Feds were up to the task of documenting and taxing all needed immigrant labor - so those in question would be paying into the same system - ergo there would be no need for asking stupid questions.

That was a pretty good point up until that last part where you insulted me. Again.

Anyway, immigration is a federal problem. They aren't doing the job, and political leadership has not proposed a solution. I'm not sure it's actually even as much of a problem as it is an election year wedge issue.

But anyway, if the government would adopt a rational, workable immigration policy it would go a long way toward solving many of the so-called problems.

If we have 12 million "illegals" here, why do we only allow a few hundred thousand visas per year?

The key is to get them legal, one way or another, so they are paying into the system like everyone else and can enjoy the same benefits.

(I know they pay indirectly in many ways, but I sense there's a lot of off-the-books, underground economy associated with it, which is probably what the exploiters of cheap labor want.)

Anyway, I'm not sure why it's a stupid question or a red herring or whatever the articulate Kiwi person called it. There are a lot of immigrants in the community. It is at the root of some recent controversies.

But not many folks seem to want to go on record as either agreeing or not agreeing that children of illegal immigrants should have access to public benefits. That seems interesting to me.

Don't you like bigger fish?

I think you too have made great points. But please understand this is the first time I have ever seen people fighting back against the machine. The focus has to stay there. I know you maybe had other goals in mind for Blount Views - but with the DT tucking tail we have no other outlet.

BTW;

Commissioner Keeble is quoted as asking "Is there any way to see if the children are legal?"

That would be the stupid question I referred to.

Every issue can't be about

Every issue can't be about every issue. There are hundreds of issues to discuss. This is one. We can talk about this on this thread. Tomorrow we can talk about something else. Or we can all run around with our hair on fire looking like a bunch of yahoo idiots posting anonymous bullshit on some website. The "machine" probably loves it. They are laughing their asses off right now.

well that probably is so

But get back to your ORIGINAL TOPIC the illegals kids. Teach them but make every dime count and not be frivolous with our tax dollars. That is what our schools are doing. May not be all the teachers and all teacher assistants and not all the principals, but our management of the schools is surely lacking. Use what you have and git er done. If you can go and tally up every month's commission meeting for the schools asking for more money for this or that. They truly dip into the general fund way past thier own budget. So asking for more money to fund more spanish/english teachers to teach english as the second language, is nuts. My neighbor, who is a teacher, moved here from Texas speaks english/spanish to elementary aged kids. Could haved done that in the same classroom instead of going over to a poorly used old high school,everrette, and a disgustingly use of half empty eagleton schools.

P.S. Discussing the stupid

P.S. Discussing the stupid remarks and backwards attitudes of elected officials IS sort of the point, isn't it?

Who is going to run against Keeble? Who is going to run against Judge Young? Who is going to run against Jerry Cunningham?

Who do you propose would do a better job? I'm not clear on how we elect better government by just bitching about the one we have.

RNeal to run against

RNeal to run against Keeble??? is that what you meant??? haha This thread is getting out of context. Illeagal kids to get taught or not.

R. Neal won't be running for

R. Neal won't be running for anything. He'll just be running this blog, or trying to, to help us elect good government.

OK, fine, Kiwi. Real

OK, fine, Kiwi.

But do you agree or disagree that children of illegal immigrants should be denied publicly funded benefits?

P.S. Is there some new information that is not covered in my previous post about about the Judge Young controversy? Do you have any facts or substantive information to offer? Have you contacted the Daily Times or the TN Court of the Judiciary about your concerns?

This site wasn't created to be all Judge Young all the time. If you want that, go start your own.

EDIT: Oh, I see you have removed your abrasive insults. Nice.

P.S. Is there some new

P.S. Is there some new information that is not covered in my previous post about about the Judge Young controversy?

See below;

What does this have to do

What does this have to do with children of illegal immigrants?

Why do you post it here, even after the previous post that gave you all of the names and addresses of the people you should take it up with?

Have you provided this information to anyone else?

What is the "original message"? Original message from where, by whom?

I really don't get it.

I believe this "new information" is all covered in the various articles, letters to the editor, and remarks by the woman's lawyer, all covered in my last post about this.

But anyway, I, too, found it strange that the "retraction" said there was no order of protection, when there pretty clearly was one.

But doesn't the retraction say, and doesn't the woman's lawyer say, and doesn't the original article say that the woman signed those away to settle, thus voiding them? Who was her lawyer when she did that?

But the contention that it was never before the court, that does not seem to square with the information you have posted here. But it's posted anonymously and not sourced, so I have no idea how trustworthy it is or how trustworthy you are.

None of this is very clear, so I don't know exactly because I am not a lawyer and I'm guessing neither are you or any of the others wanting to try this case on a blog.

As far as the indictments and trials, what was the outcome? Was the husband found guilty and convicted? Or are people trying to convict him on blogs and letters to the editor?

I'm not taking sides. Domestic violence is a serious issue. There are reports of it every day in the paper. Do you know the names of any of these people? Where is the outrage for them? This is an ugly divorce situation that has unfortunately become a story, and I doubt seriously that any of you talking about it know much about the real details unless you are one of the principles.

So stay on topic, take that other stuff up in the proper venue or start your own, or take your own advice and click the "back button" and don't waste your time on an "irrelevant" website.

And this is the last I have to say about all this. Some of y'all are incredibly rude to come here and talk trash to the person who hosts and maintains and pays the bills for this website. Some of you seem to have no clue about civil discourse, running a website, or responsible communication. I have been doing this a long time, and I thought I had seen it all. I never cease to be amazed.

Well in todays editorial

Well in todays editorial page Kathleen Parker had a take on this problem. Since the Daily Times does not post her articles to the webpage here:
But as for R's title, it isn't the kids fault, but to get where you want to get....costs money, our money. Taxes will go up reguardless how many houses go up, how many people move here, our schools will get over-crowded reguardless. So sure teach the kids with the little help you got. The old Everrette HS is being used for.... same as our half empty schools are being used for. The citizens need to look into this more closely then what is being done for our own kids. Start looking at the schools spending of what and where and how. Then ask yourself WHY and then go and ask the commissioners WHY!!

link for k.parker didnt

link for k.parker didnt work.
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Reply above.

Reply above.

Start a blog. Speak the

Start a blog. Speak the truth. I'll be happy to link to it.

Not in doubt

I can tell anyone who asks where these documents are

I don't think anyone denies the documents exist. I think the larger question is why is The Daily Times ignoring them? Why do they want a lawyer to make a liar out them? Do they see themselves as the final authority? Will Blount Today have the stones to fill the void of honest editing?

There are hundreds of issues

There are hundreds of issues to discuss.

Yeah, someone running down our educational system using words like "reguardless" show some glaring issues, but our education situation doesn't rise to criminal.

So maybe we could settle on these for now; getting honest media, accounting for our cars, an end to general fund manipulation, rid of blatant nepotism, an end to fake degrees, an end to arm breaking, an end to arm twisting at the courthouse and judges that believe in due process for everyone (just to name a few)

Is the first election to get rid of the machine not more than a year away? Should you not build a case for your candidates before you announce them?

The "machine" probably loves it. They are laughing their asses off right now.

I'm sure they are. They probably find it hilarious that they got the local paper to retract an important story and all the local blog wants to discuss is immigration.

If "Start a blog" is your answer to your bloggers and readers of your site - you have made yourself clear.

go dump that crap on the old topics.

Why do you keep trying to change this storyline to your own bs that was on the other topics?????? If you think that I am being mean, well NO. I am trying to keep this topic at the "original" state. There are atleast 20 blogs topics that your cars, judges, the machine, the whateverelse you are griping about. This is a bunch of nonsense, negative is like oil on a rusty wheel.

Is the first election to get

Is the first election to get rid of the machine not more than a year away?

The only election (less than) a year from now will be to try to keep "the machine" from TAKING a judge's seat in Circuit Court already occupied by one of the good guys.

I believe your next chance to "get rid the machine" will be in 2010. You just elected the current bunch, and they've got three more years to work their magic.

Did you vote in the 2006 county general elections, or did you just forget already?

all the local blog wants to discuss is immigration

Funny, looking down the front page I see a lot of other topics. And a month ago, immigration was all ANYONE wanted to talk about. Oh, wait. I guess we were talking about Judge Young then, too.

Sheesh.

P.S. EDIT: "THE local blog". You're kidding me, right? What were y'all waiting for? Who was stopping you from starting a local blog? Or is there something else I should be aware of?

How does one fight with tied hands?

You just elected the current bunch, and they've got three more years to work their magic.

Right, maybe they can turn to The Daily Times to work their magic. They have proven to be as fair and impartial about their news as Judge Young is when it comes to protecting immigrants you keep wanting to discuss.

Are you mad people keep discussing the news of the day other than your original post - or do you think the only local subscription paper cowing to the good old boys when they say boo isn't news?

I've switched "machine" with "good old boys" to hopefully draw you a better picture. Or do you think neither exist ergo the quotations? Are Scooby's and Lumpy's only a problem Knox county has? In Knoxville, you had Knoxviews, WBIR, WATE, WVLT, News Talk 100.3, Hallerin Hill, Gene Patterson's This Week among others covering the CC and mayoral corruption. We have the Daily Times and Blount Today - who do you think we should turn to?

Sheesh is right.

In Knoxville, you had

In Knoxville, you had Knoxviews etc.

And while the discussion got heated, I don't recall it being as uncivil and unfocused as this. I am frankly quite surprised by the tone that BlountViews has taken. Never seen a blog go so far off the deep end so fast in the five years I've been doing this.

Think of Blount County

Think of Blount County as a pressure cooker. When BV came around it became the one little steam vent. The one and only way the oppressed masses had to get the word out.

I love the idea of folks creating their own blogs. After all, the more blogs there are out there, the more people talking about our local issues and problems, the more attention those problems and issues will get. Then who knows, one day those who benefit most from all these dastardly deeds may actually get the message.

Here is a great place to try your hand at your own blog.

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Tale of the tape - Thanks Schmid

Because most people in Knoxville saw the problem for what it was because it was caught on tape. The education of Blount Countians will take much longer because most people still call the people taking them to the cleaners their "buddies".

And because of the actions of the DT and BT, it should be obvious to you they can only get that education here.

Really R, I do appreciate the service you have provided, I'm just not sure you know how important it is. Blount's corruption runs way deeper than what has been exposed, but to expose that now only gives the opposition three years to use their hand picked mouth pieces to "fictionalize" the truth.

Blount's corruption runs way

Blount's corruption runs way deeper than what has been exposed, but to expose that now only gives the opposition three years to use their hand picked mouth pieces to "fictionalize" the truth.

I guess I'm confused now. We have to discuss the topics you say we have to discuss. They all relate to corruption. But we can't talk about corruption for three more years because we don't want to tip our hand.

You know, this is all starting to sound like R. Neal and BlountViews are being played to advance some hidden agenda. I don't like being played. Or hidden agendas.

Just when I thought I was

Just when I thought I was out, you sucked me back in...,

R., You're right. Citizens scared to death of law suits, police reprisals and lack of anywhere else to turn have a very sinister plan against their benevolent government to be perpetrated using Blount Views as the cover for their "hidden agenda".

You're right, I'm wrong. I promise your response will be the last in our exchange - as I have a conspiracy to plot. ;-)

Problem solved

If this country would: 1) enforce the laws on the books for employers that hire ILLEGALS, 2) secure our southern border, 3) deport any ILLEGAL back to country of origin - we would not have to have any discussion about the children of ILLEGALS.

Those 20 MILLION ILLEGALS in the country today are what the discussion is about, but without enforcing the 3 issues above - the same discussion will be going on about the children of ILLEGALS that were born in this country when my grandchildren are grown. We are a country of laws, until we find the laws have not been followed - then we make new laws and those aren't followed.

Ask yourself how many hospitals across this land have closed their emergency rooms because of the gross number of ILLEGALS that have been given care without anyone paying the bill? ILLEGALS in this country is part of the problem our health costs are so high - you and I help pay for their care.

I welome all LEGAL immigrants into this country gladly, but ILLEGAL is illegal when I last looked at the definition.

Fair enough, MI2TN, but they

Fair enough, MI2TN, but they are here, we have the problem, so which is it: should we deny children of "illegals" public benefits or not?

Also as to your point about emergency rooms, they are also overrun with the uninsured, many of whom are working poor. We're footing the bill for them, too.

But that's another topic, except there are probably a lot more of them than "illegals" but the compassionate conservatives don't seem to have a solution for that or even want to talk about it.

I speak from my experience

Twofold experience. 1) Spending approximately 20 weeks/a year in Juarez, MX for over 5 years in the early 90's and 2) watching the ILLEGALS move into areas in the north, also in the early 90's, and what the outcome was.

Take #2 first, the ILLEGALS moved in slowly and people didn't give much attention to what was happening - cheap labor. Within 5 years the 'cheap labor' had brought their brothers, cousins, and neighbors to the area. What truly got peoples attention was when 3 or 4 families bought ONE home and everyoone moved in. They kept their places up OK, but, in the evenings and weekends the driveways looked like a used car lot with everyone's auto. When the next house on the block had a For Sale sign the brothers, cousins, and neighbors (that second wave of ILLEGALS) bought that home. Within 2 to 3 years of this - EVERYONE's property value on the block dropped and potential buyers (CITIZENS) looked to other neighborhoods. The school systems in the area, that had been really good, began to deteroriate and Spanish became the language of the school system - hell with any of the children from families that had lived on that block for generations - they were forced to have their lessons taught in Spanish.

Now #1 - I was part of a team that did a start up in Juarez right after NAFTA (remember how that was sold - only low paying jobs would be loss and Americans would be retrained for higher paying jobs - not true) I watched 800 jobs lost to NAFTA and they were replaced by 2,400 Mexicans!! (but they were only paid just over $1/hour, which included benefits so business considered it a good deal) I watched for 5 years as ILLEGALS swam or were on rafts going over the Rio - I also watched as the US border patrols WATCHED the ILLEGALS come over and did nothing. NAFTA not only took American jobs to Mexico, but if anyone does a search you will find that once NAFTA began - it encouraged (and did nothing to stop it) that ILLEGALS come and find work here. In my opinion, NAFTA was not thought out or planned - sort of like how the planning went by this Administration going into Iraq - VOID of substance. I also watched as the government of Mexico encourage (and sometimes support the trafficers) their people to cross illegal - why not, they sent their $$$s home and took care of the faultering GDP of MX.

That being said - certainly the children of illegals should be given medical care and schooling just like ALL of the 10,000 HOMELESS Tennessee CHILDREN must.

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Maybe the day our politicians show me, with actions, that ILLEGAL still means ILLEGAL, that our laws will be enforced to the letter, and our borders are safe, not only from illegals but from terrorists - then I may begin to think differently

Yes, we should

Yes, we should educate all the children regardless of whether they be legal, undocumented, living in cars or were born to natives who have a really hard time dealing with their own 'native' language.

Period.

Even our own local businesses know the importance of this issue.

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The initiative hopes to raise the level of awareness about the importance of education and to make it the community’s No. 1 priority. The initiative developed out of Maryville College and Leadership Blount’s 2006 Leadership Summit from a group of educational professionals, business leaders and community leaders who wanted to capture the energy that the summit fostered.

Keeble

John Keeble would be hard to beat in the next election (impossible for the guy that tried last time around). He is very responsive to his constituents, resourceful, easy to reach, and always respectful. In the past, he was willing to ask the big scary questions of the Sheriff that you only hear from the Democrats now.

Randy, Mello's description (above) of the depth of frustration found in Blount County upon reading the obvious attempt yesterday to discredit one of the two-count-'em-two reporters worth their salt in Blount County was very accurate. I'm sure people don't mean to be disrespectful, or ignore issues that are important to you; but it seems like progress in Blount County has been set back YEARS by the cowardice of the DT. Kind of like there was a death in the family: Hope. In our cranky mourning, I hope you recognize the important role Blount Views has in this county, particularly in the absence of real media. And we've all tried to revive Hope right here at Blount Views. So please take the minor frustrations uttered within this thread from the many faithful Blount Views folk as a big old compliment about what you have accomplished here and what we believe you can accomplish going forward. And I for one would be pleased as punch to send in some money to go towards the upkeep of this site. Shall we pass around the proverbial hat, albeit digital?

We can use the money we save by canceling our Daily Times subscriptions.

Thanks, local, for the nice

Thanks, local, for the nice remarks. There is no need to pass the hat. I don't do this for money.

RNeal responds

RNeal responds well and educated at times and appreciate that. But keeping the topic at hand is what he and I have been saying. Nothing is different then that of why this posting was created. Illegal is illegal but who is harmed by all of this????? the kids. and that is what should be concentrated on and not all the other crap that is being thrown around.

Who is harmed?

Trying not to sound too selfish or practical, but, how much does it cost and how many kids are you talking about? Do we just allow an infinite amount of kids with a finite amount of money? We complain about being over developed & then invite all comers? If we are going to pay for a bunch of kids who don't have any money, then we are going to have to get as much developement money as we can. We can't have one without the other.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not thrilled about our hills being stripped for subdivisions, but we are creating kind of a Catch-22 situation here.

Are we assuming that anyone

Are we assuming that anyone who doesn't speak English must be poor?

Another take2

Reposting from an above entry: These numbers provide a general estimate of the number of ESL students in each system with a county wide total of 275 ESL students from a total student population of 17,300 or 1.6%.

Consider the statistics from the Tennessee Department of Education 2007 Report Card as reported here by R. Neal. If further analysis is done on these statistics it would show that the total percentage of students by race leaves a small percentage unreported.

Would we then consider this percentage to be in need of ESL resources also?

My thought would be that a percentage of the Maryville students with limited English would be from Japan due to Denso.

Another reason to cut the spending on ESL?

If you break out the number of students per system in need of ESL you get the following:

Alcoa 3.9% or 62 out of 1,589
Maryville 2.4% or 115 out of 4,792
Blount 0.9% or 98 out of 10,919
Total County 1.6% or 275 out of 17,300

Consider also that the county, with a much larger student population than cities, only makes up about one third of the limited English student population.

A good question to ask would be how much are the cities contributing in total to provide this resource?

non english poor?

Well they certainly dont help much with property taxes. They work in building houses for the out of staters and anyone else, that isn't already lived here, who wants to move here. But majority wants the doors to shut behind them. But reality does not sit well for most folks that that could not actually work. But go to the commission meeting thursday night and watch the school board ask for more money over thier budget for this and that. That happens every month. So you want to know where your tax dollars are going? I encourage you to attend and see just how they can change a budget to a negative in one vote.

I don't help with property

I don't help with property taxes either, unless you consider my landlord pays property taxes with the rent I pay. Are non English speakers not living in our run down apartment buildings and houses in town? Do they not pay rent, therefore through their landlords pay property taxes the same as I?
Let me be the first to admit that I am probably the least knowledgeable person on this board about taxes and such.
And again I will bring up sales tax that we all pay every time we make a purchase. Been to Walmart on Sunday afternoon? Lots of non English speakers making purchases there.
Aren't these the taxes we use for our school systems?
I'd rather see my taxes go to schools than to other things; such as cars for the sheriff ect..

Let us look at what they are asking for

It takes forever for some folks to load pdf files so for those who want to understand what our dastardly school system is asking for this Thursday night here is the run down.

WHEREAS, Blount County would like to amend the General Purpose School Fund Budget due to the increase in additional federal funds for high cost students required to be expended for special education students in the General Purpose School Fund;
REVENUE:Education of the Handicapped Act $15,375.00
APPROPRIATION:Instructional Supplies $15,375.00

Sewer upgrades to Wm. Blount $25,000

WHEREAS, Blount County would like to amend the General Purpose School Fund Budget to increase the budget due to contributions from BCEF to be used for the purchase of TCAP testing supplies for the second grade;

REVENUE: Contributions and Gifts $20,000.00
APPROPRIATION:Evaluation and testing $20,000.00

WHEREAS, Blount County would like to amend the General Purpose School Fund Budget to increase the budget due to the receipt of a State AYP Grant for fiscal year 2007-2008;

Yes

If you do not have the right to be in the county, why in the world would a sane person believe you have the right to government (not public) benefits?

Lester

To correct Mr. Neals error.

And just to correct an error in Mr. Neal’s article – Conservatives are not opposed to immigration. We are opposed to illegal immigration. Sane individuals understand the difference.

Lester

ABlevins you dont pay enough

You drive a car and others living here drive and buy cars, then the only fair tax to hit everyone is the wheel tax. property taxes and real estate taxes and adequite facilities taxes only hit a few people and some of that will be argued in courts. But you said it not me ABlevins,

I don't help with property taxes either, unless you consider my landlord pays property taxes with the rent I pay. Are non English speakers not living in our run down apartment buildings and houses in town? Do they not pay rent, therefore through their landlords pay property taxes the same as I?

You are so right. But that tax does not all go to our schools. I don't have 8 people living in a 2 bedroom rental either. But I am not trying to tell you how you live but you brought all that up. I am sure that some will argue, but in all reality is who pays for what in this county?

All I am saying is that I am

All I am saying is that I am not a homeowner, but a renter. I am employed full time and taxes come out every week.
I do not live with 8 people in my home.
I am American as anyone with roots in East Tennessee back to the 1790's.
Why not charge a fee for ESL? I think most parents would pay to have their children taught English.
That's why most are here - to make a better life for their children.
I don't know who pays what but I pay all that is required of me.

Let me get this straight

The county budget is passed in June, the schools don't even know at that time just how many kids they will have enrolled. That report does not come until the first of November. So we should go yell at the County Commission for giving the schools more money to meet the current needs. All the while, the Planning Commission lifts the four lot limit, allowing whomever to build whatever where ever they please thus providing the way for our schools to become over crowded.

It is a well known fact outside the hallowed halls of the Blount County courthouse or which ever patio they are currently doing bid'ness on, that it takes years and years for new development to pay its fair share of infrastructure money if ever they do pay their fair share.

And for some reason you don't think renters pay enough in taxes?

Who may I ask peed on your cookies that you should become such a tax and not spend liberal?

Each new house built in

Each new house built in Blount County costs the county money, even when the owners pay property taxes. The children of property tax paying homeowners cost more to educate than their parents pay in property taxes. Most of these respectable propertytaxpayers are probably "legal." It is not the "illegals" who are the source of the financial pressure on the schools.

To quote the attorney for Knox Metro Planning Authority...

It takes some 17 to 20 years for the average new house to repay the county for what it costs in infrastructure. It takes the average new subdivision some FORTY years to repay the same cost to the county.

Yet, when someone moves here from Florida on August 1st to a brand-spanking new home and enrolls their 2.2 kids the very next day for school, we shell out all the cash necessary to educate them for the next year. Something in excess of $5,000 a kid. And the $3 gas that goes in the school bus to take them there, etc., etc.

What have those people paid into the system? Their first property tax payment is probably not collected until 6 months after school starts. At least Alice's landlord has presumably been paying property taxes for his apartment complex for several years and Alice isn't out building a new house with all the requisite infrastructure needs and adding to our deficit.

Let me add that all ESL

Let me add that all ESL students are not illegal Mexicans. We have a community of Russians here, a community of African immigrants and also Japanese students.

Yes. And not all Mexicans

Yes. And not all Mexicans are illegal (which is not what you were implying, I'm sure, but I'm sure there are those who just assume that).

Most do assume that R.

Most do assume that R. Thanks for adding that.

Very true R

Not all are illegal and most do alot for the building and the workings in the county. A few farmers are saying that the fairest tax would be the 10 dollar wheel tax. But as for the schools, adding every month thousands of dollars above thier budgets, every month coming in and getting more money. Would you have someone come and do some work on your house and give you a price of 200 and then come back and tell you that it will be an extra 100 since materials went up? It is basicly the same thing. And as for the buses going by the schools and dropping off kids in one school and then another bus picking up all those students from other buses to go to another school. It is cost effective, but they are charging for the full ride. But again what is Everrette High school being used as? And we continue to pay for that. Mello was right with her posting above a few postings. It's about time people start looking at all the wasteful spendings going on in the schools.

Would you have someone come

Would you have someone come and do some work on your house and give you a price of 200 and then come back and tell you that it will be an extra 100 since materials went up?

Well, if my house needed the work and that's what the materials cost, I guess so. What would my other options be? Can't do it myself because I'm not allowed around hammers and saws.

haha R

You got a price and you would want them to stick to that price no?

Yeah, but there are

Yeah, but there are realities of the marketplace that conservatives are so fond of reminding us about. If the price of materials, or education, or whatever, goes up, that's what it costs. You either pay it or do without.

Happens all the time. I'm not going to hold some working guy, businessman, teacher, or school system, to a "price" they have no control over and that will make them lose money. Next time I need them they will be out of business.

At any rate, these are all bad analogies. We should be spending more on education, not less. But we should hold the school systems and administrators accountable, and we should expect a top-notch result as long as we're willing to pay for it.

Agree totally

But we should hold the school systems and administrators accountable, and we should expect a top-notch result as long as we're willing to pay for it.

I cannot stress that enough. They had plans for building of schools. When Mr Horde came it all went on the bookshelf. The building industry going on in the county resulted in a huge increase. It has slowed in the county but not in the city. Which is killing the school's lack of building and expanding. The buildings should go upward and not outward. Less greenspace and land they need to acquire aswell. Better planning on thier areas to build the schools in the county aswell. And this Bulloney on pre-K and taking up classrooms and now saying that the school is overcrowded again is a joke. This should not factor into it at all. But they will get away with it.

ya know

Ya know, my close friends have noted that lately I seem to have sprouted a whole new crop of wrinkles on my forehead. I have found that they are not actually wrinkles. They appear after I slam my head on my keyboard which seems to happen a great deal after reading your posts....

who pays?

*Enrollment figures include school’s Pre-school and Head start enrollments.
School Total of Pre-School/Head Start students
Carpenters Elementary 10
Eagleton Elementary 20
Eagleton Middle 80
Fairview Elementary 25
Lanier Elementary 60
Mary Blount Elementary 28
Middlesettlements Elementary 20
Rockford Elementary 28
Townsend Elementary 20
William Blount Middle 13

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